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Update on School Facilities Planning: Construction Concerns, Timing, Setbacks and More

BBS2The Scarsdale School administration and architect offered some new information on facilities plans at two public forums on June 20. At meetings on May 22 and June 12, district architects BBS reported on their assessment of district- wide facilities needs and presented their recommendations for facilities updates and the addition of cafeterias at three elementary schools and a major overhaul and expansion at Greenacres. The June 20 sessions were held to answer community questions about the proposed projects.

Both meetings included a summary review of what was already presented but here is some new information that was revealed:

At the opening of both the morning and evening public forums, School Board Vice President Bill Natbony announced that the Board had requested analyses and information from the architects and financial advisors that they will make available to the public when they receive it.

They have asked for the following:

  • A long-term comparison of the costs of a new school vs. a renovation at Greenacres including financing, state aid and energy savings. Maintenance costs for the renovated building will also be factored in.
  • An analysis of where students will be sited during a renovation, whether it be inside the school, in trailers or in other locations.
  • A traffic study detailing the mechanics of student drop-off and pick up at a renovated Greenacres School.

Read Natbony's statement here:Garden City HS 01

Timing: Roger Smith, the principal from BBS said the firm was moving toward a December, 2017 bond referendum, but cautioned that the date might be "a push" given all the questions that need to be answered before a vote. Also in regards to timing, Board Vice President Bill Natbony added that the Board is considering holding additional community meetings this summer to consider these issues.

Historic Preservation: Smith said that he spoke to the NYS Parks and Recreation Department about Greenacres and now says that the existing building may be appropriate for historic preservation and might not be "eligible for demolition." That was curious because if the building warrants historic preservation, the architects would be required to maintain the facades. Plans now call for two of those facades to be demolished.

BBS3Setbacks: Plans call for the building to be expanded almost to the street on both the Huntington Avenue and Putnam Road sides. Just how far the school would extend had not been revealed and no renderings, aerial views or elevations have been provided. When asked, the architects said that on Huntington Avenue, the three-story building would be built to within eight to ten feet of the property line. The large building looming over the sidewalk may be a visual obstruction and it is difficult to imagine where children will line up to cross the street to the field, if only the sidewalk remains. In this area of Greenacres, which is in zone A3, zoning code requires homes be set back 30 feet from the curb, three times the distance proposed for the school. However, school construction is not subject to review by the Village Architectural Review or Zoning Boards.

Parking: The architects' schematic calls for 28 additional parking spaces to be built across the street on the area that is now the blacktop. Since the parking spaces on the school side of the street would be lost, more spaces will be needed. However, one speaker noted that if the parking lot was placed there, the children would need to traverse it to get from the school to the field and playground.manhassetlibrary

There were many questions and comments at both the morning and evening sessions. Those who wish to save the Greenacres field reiterated their views on the importance of the green space while parents who will have children in the school during the proposed renovation voiced their concerns about the risks of renovation to their children's health. Older residents, primarily from Greenacres, shared their feelings about the school and proposed solutions to forge consensus.

Thomas Giuffra, the father of a 7 year-old and a lawyer who deals with lead contamination raised the risks of lead exposure to children and adults of all ages and asked that the children be removed from the school during renovation. Pointing to the environmental engineer he said, "People like you make promises they can't keep and other people get hurt." He also asked if the entire building would be brought up to code during the renovation with fire sprinklers throughout the building. That question was not answered.

Responding to parents who were concerned about environmental toxins during renovation, Dr. Hagerman defended the safety of the renovation pointing to two large homes that were built on Sage Terrace across from the school in the past few years. He said though there were few safeguards for those projects, there would be many controls in place during a school renovation. The environmental engineer at the meeting said there would be continuous air testing and Assistant Superintendent Stuart Mattey said asbestos removal and lead abatement would be done when the children were not in the school.

There was much discussion about the BBS cost estimate of $59 million for a new school, almost double the estimate for the renovation. Some came to the mic to ask for an apples-to-apples comparison of the features of a new vs. a renovated school. Would the new school include an auditorium or theater? They asked for more details on the design of the renovated facility and the new school. How large will the maker space be? Will it be light and look like a 21st century school? Another new voice asked for a qualitative analysis of a new vs. a renovated school, focusing on factors beyond the money, to give residents a framework beyond the money.

When asked about the life span of the renovation, Smith said it would be 30-40 years. He contended that the portions that are 100 years old are still good as well.

There were still many questions to be addressed:

Foremost, parents wanted to know how the construction will be staged, where the construction equipment will be placed and how the school will function during this two to three year renovation. Smith said the district has hired a construction management firm that will analyze the work plan and provide a construction implementation plan (CIP).

In response to a question about how lunchrooms would be staffed, Stuart Mattey advised that there would be self-funded food service that would not require staffing for food service but would require district management. There was no discussion of how food would be delivered or waste picked up in tight neighborhoods or the need for additional parking spaces to accommodate the workers.

The architects have prioritized all facilities needs on a scale of 1 to 5. There has been no discussion as yet about why, for instance, priority 3 items at many schools were included in the numbers for the bond proposal or how pressing these needs were.

Next steps: There is a Board of Education meeting and a Board retreat scheduled for July 6th. A refined presentation from the architects is expected at that time.

You can watch both forums in their entirety on the school district's website here:

(Pictured here are schools designed by BBS – photos from their website.)

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+8 #10 Dog chases own tail 2017-06-25 02:35
The board and administration seem angry and genuinely surprised by the current outpouring of community questions, doubts and anger. If they only used the lengthy pause to actually include the community and respond to many 2016 requests for a full short and long term cost-benefit analysis Scarsdale might be moving forward rather than backward. To now listen to the administration and next board president blame the community for the us vs.them atmosphere is beyond ridiculous.
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+4 #9 resident 2017-06-24 20:20
I went to the bbs website. The projects for Harrison are artist renderings. Who knows what it will look like it/ when it gets done? Go through their site. The work they have done is really really ugly. Greenacres will be a monstrosity once they take it out all the way to Huntington and Putnam. We really shouldn't even be doing work that requires a variance this large if there is any way around it.
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-1 #8 Greenacres Resident 2017-06-24 13:19
Quoting Joanne Wallenstein:
About the selections: they won awards for the work at Suffolk Community College and I selected other projects that are representative of their work.


Maybe, but it's not representative of the work they would do for Scarsdale. A community college is not going to be built out of brick and stone. Districts have different budgets and aesthetic preferences. Take a look at projects for Harrison, Quogue, and Southampton on the BBS website for some more astherically pleasing designs.
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+4 #7 Black Coffee 2017-06-23 19:27
At this pace, it's going to take another year (at least) to come up with a fully baked plan for both Greenacres and the rest of the district. Right now, the only lever I have to provide that time is to vote down all of the half-baked ideas that are currently on the table for the bond. And I will. I think other voters will do likewise.
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+2 #6 Joanne Wallenstein 2017-06-23 16:56
About the selections: they won awards for the work at Suffolk Community College and I selected other projects that are representative of their work.
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+3 #5 Resident 2017-06-23 16:34
If you look at the BBS website, other than the community college, these are their additions!
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+4 #4 FM resident 2017-06-22 18:23
I really wish these architects were not touching our buildings. There is no vision here. We are going to throw away $65mm.
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+5 #3 Laura R 2017-06-22 17:50
Hagerman has shown that he is not capable of leading this project. Maybe he should continue to focus on the academic side and appoint somebody else to lead this effort.
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+5 #2 Melania T. 2017-06-22 15:43
Judging by the examples of BBS's work that is shown, perhaps it is best that we renovate the existing building...
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+5 #1 Resident 2017-06-22 13:58
The fact that our superintendant is equating this to 2 houses going up across the street (and set back from the road) shows how tone deaf he is. $30mm plus, 100 year old building with asbestos, lead paint, and a terrible history with mold is not the same as these houses being built or the small projects being done on corners of the Heathcote and Edgewood school. I don't understand why he refuses to just remove the kids! Doesn't he realize that these parents are not just going to go along and sacrifice their kids. The lawsuit will be a PR nightmare for the district!
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